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Hi, again! ^-^
I wonder if this makes you smile ;P I followed him all the way through :giggle: He has a point! :D





Many thanks to everyone jumping to help me with my graphite problem!
 :iconflyingheartsplz:
 We all start somewhere and tend to focus on certain things, maybe not following a straight line while learning.
 I might show up in the future with other super easy to solve problems :giggle:, after hitting my head to the wall long enough to come over here and ask for help from more experienced art lovers^^

I really appreciate your support forum.deviantart.com/art/gener…,
and this is what I learned:

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using gloves does not help
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one can use a tool to support oneself - either the artist's bridge (leaning bridge) or the mahl stick
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to keep the surface inclined when ever possible
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 larger sizes of the canvas bring in much more challenges than the smaller ones, not only a larger volume of work
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one cannot really remove the spots already made, they are sensitive
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thus, avoid at all cost NEVER to touch the paper with naked hands, not even to take it out of the pack.
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thee is such an awesome feeling to have so many jumping in with an advice - I love this place! Aww And it feels good to know others went through the same problemsWink/Razz

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Shakira by VinerisMirror by saintartaud
20/10/2016 - Inktober - Day 16 by StettafireZeroKite by Hipnago
Checkered Dreamscape by siantjudasOctober 29 by Glori305
CM: Xenith and Kit by HareSoup
Hayao Miyazaki by narutokunobessedLightning the Innocent by narutokunobessed
FB Cover Photo by FTSArtsLidfox Pencil by geek96boolean10


Gingus Khan by BabaKinkin

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CinderBlockStudios  siantjudas FTSArts narutokunobessed geek96boolean10 Vineris BabaKinkin saintartaud Hipnago
FrankieAA Glori305 StettafireZero AmBr0
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Rhinoceros by AmBr0
Tom Hanks by AmBr0Don Cheadle by AmBr0

Tree of Life and Simorgh in Sea of the World by AmBr0



The Omnivorous Reader by RileyStark




And here we have more interesting shading tutorials :la: from Dzulkifli27
 
Studying Sunday: Lighting with Henryk Siemiradzki by fabianrensch




Something else I learned this week, and it explained a lot of my struggles:






Special thanks to HareSoup for our discussions, they are very helpful! :huggle::iconflyingheartsplz:





Would you like to join me in drawing something like this?





This is my work in progress :giggle:
My first landscape!! :la: :D I did not know this is so much fun!

Test.graphite.WIP by Andorada

I would be curious if somebody else also likes to try this :flirty:
Any comment is very welcome!

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Open Feature: Graphite Drawings!

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I'd like to see your drawings!
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:iconphilippel:
philippeL Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Superb feature! We can feel your passion for drawing :nod:
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2016
Thank you! :flirty: Do you happen to have some favorite graphite drawings?^^
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AshtreeJ Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Another simply lovely feature! Great job spotlighting these artists. I commend their efforts because I always smudge graphite drawings ^^;
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2016
It is not easy not to smudge the graphite :giggle:
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Dzulkifli27 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
I found some artists, here are some of their works which I find to be impressive. 

From Daniel Loya;  Shark 3 with a you tube video using graphite
fav.me/dahp0k4

From Artist-MMR; Still Life
fav.me/d91ai52

From Joniwagnerart;  Audrey
fav.me/d86qf6i

From Ritakomi; The Puppeteer's "Big Picture"
fav.me/daplf3l
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
Thank you so much for your contribution! :la:
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Dzulkifli27 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
Np it's always a pleasure, glad to be able to constribute.
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Thank you, LindArtz! :heart: Yes, he certainly does! I did not expect it take sso long to do the foliage. I'll continue when I have a bit of time. I would be curious how this looks like if more people try to draw it, with different paper. The paper is sooo important :D
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Andorada Featured By Owner Edited Dec 12, 2016
Thystyn, thank you for your comment. In the boat version I liked the water very much, and the whole right bottom area. But in all honesty, I noticed he changed it only after I made the boat. And I agree, I like it more like this. I might add more people in, though, not to let him alone :flirty:
The paper I am using is for pastels, so the texture is not like the one in the video. But I am testing different papers with different media, to understand them better.
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BabaKinkin Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
ty for the feature!
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:iconandorada:
Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
You are most welcome! Thank you for the feedback! :la:
Do you have some favorite graphite drawings in da you would like to share with us?^^
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BabaKinkin Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
aaaa uhhh no sorry, i don't really look up any graphite stuff!
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
:D K. Np!
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AmBr0 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Excellent! It's always nice to know and record the steps you are achieving to improve. Surely you'll help others to mind the step! :thumbsup:
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Andorada Featured By Owner Edited Dec 13, 2016
For me it is the easier way to learn when I see somebody directly struggling with something and finding a solution. It is so alive that it stays with me. And in the years I have been active as a community vector, not as somebody drawing, I have witnessed so many struggling persons, many of them asking questions. But I had no idea how I can help. Maybe like this we can help each other.:flirty:
I would like to ask you something. You achieve a very dark background. Is this using black color, a very soft pen(6-9?) or it is the photo postwork? What ever I tried I do not get to that dark value without a black marker, or a vaseline saturated black pencil.

And on another note, would you like to show us some of the graphite drawing you like around da, that you find inspiring...? :aww:
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AmBr0 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2016
That's the key! Serving is a suprime art.

The blacks are made with woodless graphite 9B but be careful Faber Castell Pitt brand is my choice at the moment. I tried others and the difference is incredible.
I also adjust the contrast a bit after scanning the drawings.

I hope this also answers the question by LateStarter63

Off course! I'll share them although I think I already shared all the inspiring drawings in the traditional wizards journal series. :thumbsup:
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2016
OK, I tried now higher numbers and it is suuuuch a huge difference! Also with how the paper reacts!!! How it feels, how it sounds! the whole experience is different! :D  Did not get yet the woodless version yet. Spent quite some time looking in various stores and I hope what I ordered online will come soon. :la: I would have probably saved  a lot of time by attending a class where I could try different tools to see how they work, and get direct guidance. I got a lot of pencils which I do no hink I will use :D
Thank you for sharing those awesome drawings with us! :happybounce:

The main difference one sees with the woodless verysions is that one can cover ore area faster, right? Or are there aso other arguments for getting the woodless format?
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AmBr0 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016
:D I know what you mean. At the end trying wrong materials makes you learn great lessons. Maybe you can use those tools for other purposes.

Yes, the woodless graphite covers areas faster but also has its own particular feeling. Hope it helps! :thumbsup:
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016
You are so right! :D I'll definitely never forget that some combinations do not work :giggle: I slowly bought the right parts for each of them, and I actually worked now with more materials than originally expected. ;P

You know what? Santa brought me exactly what I was missing, what we were talking about here :faint: I am not sure if he was peaking, but I had a blast when I opened the presents :happy: 
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AmBr0 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2016
:D Santa always knows the proper gift. Enjoy your gifts!

Someone said something similar to this "an error is an event whose benefits have not yet become an advantage". So lets make more great mistakes the new year!
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Andorada Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2017
:D Thank you! Already got to the half of a pitt :D

Aww, that's a very comforting thought! :aww: 

May you have a wonderful 2017! :highfive:
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LateStarter63 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I too would be interested to know how AmBr0 achieves his true blacks!

I have found my own way to get a deep black in just two layers.  I use a Mars Lumograph 8B first.  (I am not a fan of this pencil except when something really dark is needed as I do not like its hard scratchy nature, it produces dust, cannot be applied over soft graphite such as Faber Castell and does not blend well.)  This pencil gives a very black, unreflective surface, but which as a lot of small white 'holes' where the tooth of the paper has not been fully filled. I then go over this with a Faber Castell 8B, which fills the holes and gives a good, deep black, but has the typical sheen of soft graphite.  I first used this in my Tibetan Boy drawing for the background and also made use of the Mars 8B and 7B overlaid with Faber Castell pencil  in my Gene Tierny drawing

A light application of fixative slightly reduces the shine, but when I photograph my drawing I use a black cloth behind the camera to ensure that no light from directly behind the camera, even from a light wall, is reflected into the lens from the shine on the graphite surface.  This improves the contrast in the photograph.  I have a tutorial on this.
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Andorada Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2016
The true blacks seem to be really a challenge!

Thank you for your advice! I have already purchased some new pencils - did not find exactly the same ones you described here, but I made a combination of two which already gave me a much darker tone and I am sooo happy about it! Thank you! :la: I will try to find the Mars Lumograph one(this is a new brand I learn about now)

Wow, the black cloth method is so awesome! it is really humbling and inspiring to see your work, especially that you have drawings from the beginning of your journay with this craft, and to see the extend of your improvement it's just WOW!! I, too, think that it would be awesome to have some video tutorials from you, as philippeL pointed out! :nod: I know it is a whole new area with creating the videos, but one learns so much from seeing the process develop..., and it also creates a special kind of connection with the artist, somehow...
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LateStarter63 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The thing about the Mars Lumograph 7B and 8B is that they are very different from the other, harder, Mars Lumograph and other graphite pencils.  They seem more akin to charcoal - black and matt.
Sorry, but I will never do a video.  The videos that I have seen (time lapse) have given me no insight into how the artist achieves their drawing; it just looks like magic to me!
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2016
Oh, that is really good to know. I'd actually like to ask what is the argument to still go for graphite instead of using charcoal for the balck areas? Is it more creamy, or why?

With the timelapse it is indeed the case that many secrets are not easy to follow :nod: 
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LateStarter63 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I stick to graphite because it is generally a very clean medium to use.  Dusty charcoal just would not be a good choice for me as I start all my drawings on the living room floor and after the preliminary shading is done I put my laptop on the dining table and continue there.  Additionally, although some people manage to combine charcoal and graphite very successfully ( Portrait of a girl uses graphite, charcoal and white pastel) I prefer the uniformity of tone given by graphite alone.  I find it difficult to use the Mars 8B alone without going over it with graphite just because it looks so different on the paper.  Also as you suggest I am used to the feel of graphite pencils.
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StettafireZero Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Professional Writer
Glad to be of help. Your landscape looks lovely
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Andorada Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Thank you! :flirty: Do you have some favorite graphite drawings from active artists you would like to share with us?
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